Liv ([info]devils_child7) wrote,
@ 2007-09-04 16:02:00
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Current mood: apathetic
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Entry tags:civil rights

"atmosphere of obedience"?
Opinions regarding this? Personally, I disagree with his actions. Yes, you do have the right to privacy, not having your bags searched, etc., but does anyone really care? When I read stories like that guy's, I don't really feel that he's standing up for civil rights; rather, it just seems to me like it all could have been avoided. Perhaps if the issue were more serious I would concur with Mr. Righi, but some guy just asked to search his bag! Big freaking deal. That happens all the time and no one (that I personally know) even gives it a second thought.

Contrary to what Mr. Righi stated in his entry, that an "atmosphere of obedience" is being created by this sort of thing, I think that we merely have to accept normal procedures. At least be happy that you don't like in freaking Iraq or something, where people have almost NO civil liberties! What irritates me is that people object to these silly, trivial matters when they have more rights than most people do in the world.

And what irritates me more is that the guy is somewhat intentionally antagonizing people, like the Circuit City employees. It's not as if those people have some malicious intention to eradicate all freedoms in America! They're just trying to do their job so they can get paid and pay off college or feed their families or whatever.
(EDIT: Yikes, there were about 1000 conjunctions in that last sentence.)

Okay, bottom line: I recognize that this is definitely a violation of civil rights and Mr. Righi shouldn't have been asked to reveal his purchases/driver's license, but it wasn't directly harming him. I recognize moreover that it was illegal for the Circuit City employee to bar him from leaving by force and the cop could have diffused the situation by inspecting Mr. Righi's bag and finding nothing stolen. Still, the entire matter could have been prevented by Mr. Righi himself; I almost feel as if he was asking, perhaps, for a little trouble.

(Note: I am generally left-wing, so I think this is my conservative side rearing its ugly head. ;))




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[info]euphoricapathy
2007-09-04 09:29 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree. Just show him the bag and move on. Doesn't he think the police had better things to do? They could've been, I don't know, preventing murders or something.

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[info]devils_child7
2007-09-04 09:37 pm UTC (link)
And here I thought I was totally in the minority. :)

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[info]la_vamp
2007-09-04 11:19 pm UTC (link)
Some people find their personal belongings to be private. I know I was pissed when the school searched my bag. There was a can of pepper spray that I carry with me at all times in public. They practically exploded on me for having it. I was suspended for a week and almost missed my finals for it. It was against the rules to have pepper spray on campus. However, I got out of rehearsals late at night. I had this creepy stalker that no one was doing anything about. Really, what choice did I have?

I can see that some people might not be bothered by it. Some people don't have much to hide. At the same time, there are also people that are uncomfortable with it. It's also wrong and plain out rude to demand to search someone's bag without any probable cause. I'm not saying that your opinion is bad. So don't take offense to this. This is just my take on it.

P.S. I'm usually right wing and here is my sekrit liberal side no one knows about. *gasp, shock*

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[info]devils_child7
2007-09-04 11:24 pm UTC (link)
I understand that, but I also think someone's purse/backpack/etc. is different than a bag of stuff you've just purchased in a store.

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[info]mmejavert
2007-09-05 03:11 am UTC (link)
No, he's right. Quite frankly there is no reason to require someone show proof of purchase if he's carrying items in a bag. I walked out of a KMart without doing this once and the minimum wage flunkie just glared at me. If the manager is so paranoid about shoplifting, then he asks his cashiers whether any of them checked the guy out, and if they say no, that's when you want to detain him to check for shoplifting. There is NO justification, moreover, for that police officer forgetting the Miranda rights or arresting him and then making up a charge afterwards. Mr. Righi will win his lawsuit.

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[info]devils_child7
2007-09-05 03:22 am UTC (link)
Well, I concur with you on the cop matter. Not stating the Miranda rights to someone is a pretty bad thing as is making up a charge. With regard to the incident at Circuit City, however, I must disagree with you.

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[info]mmejavert
2007-09-05 03:27 am UTC (link)
If it were me, and the situation escalated, I'd probably give in at the end of the day, but this is because I have no balls for anything like that; I'm a total wimp. In theory I'm all for defending your liberties. Unless that store manager can give me reasonable cause that he thinks I stole my item, I don't see any reason to stop after I've already made my purchase. Quite frankly this is why stores implemented CCTV systems and strategically placed cameras and those metal-detector-like setups by the door that beep annoyingly at you when you walk through it with a CD whether or not you purchased said CD.

Most people really ARE willing to just let store owners walk over them as they please, and as I said I don't have the cojones to continue to resist like Mr. Righi did. But if I did, I'd be in his shoes. It seems like such a trivial thing but my purchases are my property and my privacy seems vaguely violated by someone insisting on rifling through my shopping bag.

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[info]devils_child7
2007-09-05 04:06 am UTC (link)
Hah, for two years I was continually stopped by security guards in stores because (as I later discovered) someone forgot to remove that security tag thing from my purse when I bought it and it set off the alarms.

I think your point is very valid, but I just... feel like it could have been avoided easily. Moreover (and I'm not saying we should throw away our rights or whatever), in America, we have more rights than the vast majority of nations in the world. To me, it seems slightly unfair to make a huge deal out of people searching your shopping bags when Middle East residents get tortured and executed for merely stating their opinions.

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[info]devils_child7
2007-09-05 05:26 am UTC (link)
Oh, God... the first sentence in my most recent comment is awful. Way to run on.

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